The new big bore pistols feature industry-first capacity, with a standard 15-round capacity and 22+1 rounds of 10mm or 18+1 rounds of .45 ACP from the extended magazines. Lot-to-lot powder variations do exist and in a cartridge this small, they can cause a significant difference in pressure and velocity. Hodgdons load data shows 11.0 grains of H-4198 gave the 20-grain V-MAX a velocity of 3,226 fps. The powder weights for all the loads but one listed in the table were weighed as precisely as I could on a balance scale. A 50-grain V-Max exiting the muzzle of a rifle in .223 Rem. In testing the ability of the powder to Erase Copper Fouling, Reiber fired a 467-round string during the varmint shoot with no cleaning, except for occasional dry-brushing to sweep out powder fouling. CFE BLK my go-to .221 Fireball rifle powder produced top velocities and good accuracy, including a .48-inch group at 4,250 fps with 17 grains of powder. .17 WSM ammunition includes Winchester Elite with 20 and 25 grain tipped bullets, Hornady with a 20 grain V-MAX tipped bullet and Federal American Eagle brand with a 20 grain tipped bullet. Expecting to receive a half-dozen or so, I was quite surprised after opening the package to see more than 30 different cartridges ranging in size from the .17 Lilliput on a shortened .22 Hornet case to the .17 Swift on the full-length .220 Swift case. To show viewers how to succeed at long range, J. Guthrie gears up for a challenging shot while chasing Colorado pronghorn at long range with DPMS' Panther 6.5 Creedmoor. RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. Norma 200, 55gr. Pressures generated in Hodgdons pressure barrel for an 18.0-grain charge behind those two bullet weights was only 33,500 and 35,700 CUP respectively. During my youth, I shot a custom single-shot rifle in 17 Ackley Hornet built on a Winchester Model 1885 action belonging to one of my fathers hunting pals. I may just have to try a few of those with the 8208 powder as well. After shooting 80 Hornady loads one afternoon, I soaked the CZs bore with solvent for a day and then gave it a good scrubbing with a bronze brush. Several five-shot groups fired at 100 yards measured less than 0.250 inch. maximum of 52,000 CUP for the 221 Fireball and also considerably below the pressure generated by a maximum charge of LilGun with the Berger 30-grainer. I can say that IMR 8208 XBR is fast becoming my favorite powder. Highly accurate cup-and-core, polymer-tipped and Partition bullets cover most bases, and new bonded bullets and several lead-free projectiles add to the .280's versatility. I figured Hornady 20-grain V-MAX bullets would pretty much drop out of the air after they reached 200 yards, but the tiny bullets surprised me. 2 scale used in my tests detected no weight variation in charges of CFE BLK dispensed by the Redding measure, IMR 4198 varied by as much as 0.3 grain. At 100 yards there is still a healthy 3,389fps velocity and 638ft/lb striking energy that is more than enough for humane despatches. Winchester created this load, and named it for what it wasswift. The Hornady and Ackley versions of the 17 Hornet are examples. This is especially important when loading ammunition on a progressive press. And accuracy improved with a shorter jump in my handloads. This concludes with an average overall group size for all types of ammunition. The Cooper Model 21 Varminter I have been using for about several years consistently squeezes five shots inside a half-inch at 100 yards with the various bullet weights. WARNING: The loads shown here are safe only in the guns for which they were developed. The Best of both worlds: After nearly 4 years of waiting, Dan Wesson's DWX is here. Regardless of how bullets were seated, chamber pressures appeared to be on the mild side in the Cooper and Remington guns. Following are the Average Overall Group Size test results for the various .17 caliber rimfire rifles reviewed by Guns and Shooting Online (measured in inches). The .17 Hornets tiny bullets and a small case capacity mean velocities vary considerably with a slight change in powder weight. .17 Remington (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 77 loads. He has been fooling with the 17R since the year it came out. During one of those conversations, I requested samples of any sub-caliber wildcats Ackley might have on hand. I have tried 3 different 20 grain pills out of my 17 Rem. Remember, the above accuracy results are averages with all brands of ammunition tested. However, maximum powder charges for the .17 Ackley are 0.2 to 0.7 grain heavier than for the .17 Hornady. The .17 Fireball easily breaks 4,000 fps with 20-grain bullets and only 17 to 20 grains of powder. The Gunsmith should have the rifle in my hot little hands in about 2 weeks. Smooth flow is also convenient to those who load on a single-stage press as it allows powder charges to be dispensed by a measure as opposed to the slower method of weighing each charge. How does the performance of the .17s compare with .22 caliber varmint cartridges? Re: 17 Remington Load Data. H414/W760 behind a 30gr. Same goes for the Mach IV and Fireball, although the velocity difference between the two bullet weights is less in them. My midway order just showed up with a box of the 20gr noslers and 25gr hornady hp. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 17 September 2002, 13:14. This American-made, double-base spherical powder is a slower derivative of A-2230. The round was first loaded with an 87-grain bullet at the then-astounding velocity of 3,000 fps; the "3000" in its name was, of course, a marketing maneuver on the bullet speed. I was curious to see how Hornadys factory load would perform in my SSK Industries rifle. The Sierra 40-grain hollowpoint also preferred 0.005 inch of rifling engagement. The primers that seem to consistently work the best (and are the ones most sources recommend) are the CCI 450, Remington 7.5, and CCI BR-4. So with some hold-over aiming finesse, the .17 would make a decent ground squirrel and prairie dog cartridge out to 300 yards. Seventeen-caliber cartridges have always fascinated a certain group of handloaders for some mystical reason. An overall cartridge length of 1.815 inches with the Hornady 20-grain V-Max exceeds what the Ruger magazine is capable of handling, so those rounds had to be manually loaded directly into the chamber. They produce almost no discernable recoil. The new-for-2023 lineup includes ultralight hunting stocks and a VGA 2-pound adjustable vertical-grip stock. My most accurateand one I still haveis a Sako L46. Hodgdon has data available online. A few .12 and .14 calibers emerged, but those of .17 caliber ended up being the most popular. Pressure indications were still quite mild in my rifle. With the case shoulder bumped back and bullets reseated, it averaged 0.64 inch for five, five-shot groups at 100 yards. | I'm watching this thread because I just got my 17 rem upper. There are a variety of .17-caliber bullets for handloaders to choose from. Its not a spectacular cartridge, though, because a hanging steel plate at 300 yards didnt even move when shot with the tiny V-MAX bullets, but the approximately 200 foot-pounds (ft-lbs) of energy the little bullets still carry at 300 yards is enough to kill a ground squirrel. Patrick. Muzzle velocity was 3,488 fps at a chamber pressure of 46,400 psi. A decrease in body taper gained back some of the capacity loss, but its gross water capacity is still about one grain less than for Ackleys version. Im betting the .17 Hornet will hang in there, however, because it has a ready-made home as any gun chambered for the .22 Hornet can also be chambered for the .17. While seen at its best as a metallic silhouette cartridge, it will work on deer at relatively close ranges when loaded with the right bullet. Yet the little pills zipped downrange from .17-caliber rifles shoot with lazer-like flatness and produce surprisingly impressive results on small game and predators. That is a significant difference in such a small cartridge case that only holds about 12 grains of powder. Fast follow-up shots are easy, virtue of low recoil, and savvy shooters can spot their own impacts through their scope. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Not only that, but it is also stable in a 1:9 twist, which has become the standard in the caliber (from the original 1:10). The barrels of the Ruger Model 77/17H and the Remington XP-100 had accumulated some, but it vanished after only three applications of solvent. Stocky's Owner Don Bitz walks David Faubion through the company's new rifle stocks for 2023. The .17 HMR loads we use include ammunition from CCI with 17 grain TNT bullet, CCI A17 with 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain TNT bullet, Federal Premium with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Hornady with 17 grain V-MAX bullet, Remington Premier with 17 grain AccuTip-V bullet and Winchester Supreme with 17 grain V-MAX bullet. Factory .223 Remington loads often provide good accuracy, but the cartridge is a great choice for handloaders who want to duplicate or even exceed factory ammunition ballistics. Moving up in powder capacity, the .17 Mach IV was introduced during the 1960s by Las Vegas gunsmith Vern OBrien, whose custom rifles were on the dainty Sako L46 action. By that time most of his hearing was gone, and his daughter would answer the phone and relay the conversation back and forth between her father and the caller. I had enough primed cases left over for exactly four-shot strings, and one does not waste primers these days. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Either powder is an excellent choice for P.O. Give a Gift An additional 0.5 grain of LilGun increased the velocity of 20-grain bullets by 198 fps. Remington introduced it in 1971, and soon thereafter a friend of mine bought a Model 700 BDL chambered for it. Hodgdons listing of 18.0 grains of CFE BLK as maximum for 30- and 35-grain bullets needs clarification. All Guns and Ammo subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. All Rights Reserved. This little gem was introduced originally by Remington in 1971, though similar wildcats had undoubtedly existed for many years prior. Now lets take a close look at the performance of CFE BLK in several varmint cartridges. In some cases, the cartridge you want to shoot will dictate the type of rifle available. . The original powder charge was then poured back in, and the factory bullet was seated to the original overall cartridge length of 1.712 inches. MV with a 20 grain bullet is 3000 fps and MV with a 25 grain bullet is 2600 fps. Rem. Both of those loads will push a 65gr V-Max about 4,100 fps. Use of the Remington 6 primer improved accuracy in Reibers gun as well as mine. This was before coyotes invaded the East and decimated the groundhog population, so we accounted for our share of them. I have owned several rifles in 218 Bee through the years, the first being a Winchester Model 43. Neck sizing the cases stretched them to 1.344. bullet. If striking a bone on impact they will absolutely detonatenot only potentially ruining a valuable hide, but also creating a superficial wound that is not immediately lethal and will leave animals to suffersomething all hunters try to avoid. That length allows Hornadys .17 Hornet to fit in existing magazines and bolt actions originally intended for the .22 Hornet, like the CZ 527, Ruger 77/22 Hornet and Savage Model 25. I just spoke to a gent this past week on this subject. Cases did stretch some during firing and then sizing. The first commercial .17-caliber round, the .17 Remington, was hobbled by the inferior .17-caliber bullets available upon its release, often resulting in superficial wounds on animals such as coyotes. Like I said, different rifles, different preferences in primers. A form die set is required if .221 Fireball cases are used, but those lucky enough to find Remington .17 Fireball brass can simply run them through a .17 Mach IV full-length sizing die, add primer, powder and bullet, and head for the varmint fields. If you can find either the older Berger 25-grain Target HP (smaller nose opening) or the Hornady HP, youll be in business. Using 17.5 grains of Reloder 10x produced a .21-inch group at 3,787 fps. My most accurate 222 rem. Pat Mundy Backing the sizing die a partial turn from contacting the shellholder on the press set headspace on the case shoulder instead of on the cartridge rim. Of the powders CFE BLK, H-4198 and Accurate 2200 used with this bullet, H-4198 proved lackluster accuracy-wise, the best group only .87-inch at 4,226 with 17 grains of powder. With the 65, I recommend 47.5 grains of Varget or 47.5 grains of IMR 4064. Especially Remington brass. Ackley had his hand in developing decades previously. According to the story, OBrien wagered that his guide could not kill the bear with his rifle in .17 Mach IVand lost the bet. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. So much for this rifle not caring for 25-grain bullets. Accurate: AAC-2460: Subscribe: 3741: Remarks: 20: Hornady V-Max: Accurate: AAC-2460 . The S.A.A.M.I. I also like using IMR8208 with the 25gr. The new powder also flows through good powder measures with minimum charge-to-charge variation in weight. It has a three-lug action. Two calibers stand out among those of .17-diameter ilk, although others of newer design may outstrip them in the future. Rem. Zippy 25-grain projectiles exit the muzzle in excess of a jaw-dropping 4,000 fps. In 2007, Remington Arms introduced a new rifle cartridge based on their 221 Fireball necked down to 17 caliber. | When a Redding Handgun/Small Rifle measure is set to throw 20.0 grains of CFE BLK, it throws 16.3 grains of IMR 4198. The Nosler 20-grain bullet was happiest at 0.015 inch. vs 9.3x62 Cartridge Clash, Browning SA-22 Challenge Semiauto Rimfire: Its History and a Review, 6 Best .300 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) Rifles, How Rifle-Shot Recoil Affects Scopes, Rings and Bases, Kimber Hunter Pro Desolve Blak - A Lightweight Heavy Hitter, Browning BLR Lightweight '81 Stainless Takedown Lever Rifle, Mossberg Patriot Predator 6.5 PRC Rifle Review, Review: Springfield Armory M1A Loaded Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor, RCBS ChargeMaster Lite Review: Not 'Lite' on Ability, Remington Model Seven SS HS Bolt-Action Rifle Review. Muzzle velocity was 3,488 fps at a chamber pressure of 46,400 psi. Unfortunately, our choices have become very sparse, but the V-MAX and the Berger HP both work better than the lighter bullets. I will say that the 20s, while attractive for the little stuff, are not always a great choice for predators at these velocities. Possibly one of the best varmint load - consistently under 1/4" at 100 yards is 75 grain Sierra (Speer and Remington shoot well too) with 58 grains IMR4350. When a new cartridge is introduced, its origins can often be traced to a cartridge P.O. Great velocity with 25 grainers but poor accuracy. I had expected chamber pressure and velocity of the factory load to be a bit lower in the improved chamber, and they were, but accuracy in my rifle was quite good. While accuracy was better with that ammo than I had anticipated (averaging 1.55 inches at 100 yards), seating bullets in handloads to lightly contact the rifling shrank group size considerably. The next 10, not so much. Reibers load consisted of the Remington 6 primer, Hornady case, and Hornady 20-grain V-Max seated out to lightly engage the rifling. More importantly, the .222 Remington would spawn the elongated .223 Remington, introduced in 1957 (and today is Americas most popular centerfire cartridge); and the shortened .221 Remington Fireball. The new case most likely is shorter so it can be loaded with relatively long and pointed Hornady 20- and 25-grain V-MAX bullets and still retain the same 1.723-inch overall cartridge length of the .22 Hornet. bullet will surprise you also. Full-length sizing is fine if you want cartridges to headspace off the .17s rim, but that amount of sizing set the case shoulders back .005 inch, which can cause cases to split around the web after firing them a few times. Ben Voss FN Product Manager talks about the new FN SCAR 15P ultra-compact rifle-caliber pistol at SHOT Show 2023. sierra Gameking , AOL. He owned no powder scale and simply filled the case to the brim with IMR 4198, seated a bullet on top, and commenced to terrorize the local crow population. Except for the CCI A17 load, all brands claim a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2525-2550 fps and in our chronograph testing actually delivered average MVs of 2550-2650 fps, depending on the load. Medium-fast powders including Hodgdons Benchmark, H-4198, H-322 and CFE BLK, IMR-8280 XBR, Western Powders Ramshot X-Terminator and TAC, Accurates LT-30 and A-2200, Alliants Reloder 10x and 7, Shooters World Blackout and Vihtavuori N133 were chosen for a combination of clean-burning characteristics and maximum velocities. What load are you using with 8208 with the 20 grain VMax? While shooting the Cooper Model 21, I experimented a great deal with bullet jump (or lack of it), and the Berger 30-grain bullet shot best when seated 0.005 inch into the rifling. On the other end of the stick, almost all firearm manufacturers offer rimfire rifles chambered in .17 HMR, so shooters can pick and choose. 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