when you go on a hunting trip there is nothing worse than getting out there with ammo that is not working at the highest level. Then go with the acceptable charge and try shrinking the OAL a little(.05"-.015") to see if it improves accuracy. choice. Always 120 grain bullets. I thought wed start with this one, because I mentioned it in the above story, and its been putting meat in the freezer for more than 40 years. Back to partitions for me. That being said, I have used the old style dual core GS on black bear several times with great results. I don't know exactly when the 'good' ones were replaced by the new version. There are internal heel folds near the base to mechanically lock the I like the Grand Slam as a black bear bullet at closer ranges (say, inside 250 yards), because its strong enough to break bones yet soft enough to expand reliably on lung shots. Winchester brass, CCI 200 primers. Some of them may appear on both the Class 2 and The Nosler Partition expands as quickly as any hunting bullet. The bullet had penetrated from chest all the way through smashing the right hip ball socket before coming to rest just under the hide. At the shot, this buck ran in a circle and fell over. 4 Classic Hunting Bullets To Fill Your Tag, 5 Things You Must Know About Concealed Carry Insurance, Bowling Pin Shootings High-Powered Renaissance. Look to the 285-grain Speer Grand Slam. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. 165 - 168 Grain. World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. Including breaking shoulders on a 220 lb 8 pt. was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers. I guess the partition is my go to bullet, doesn't mean I wouldn't try another. 300 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data. grand slams, but I tried the 175 gr in my 7mm Rem Mag. These bullets are wonderfully affordable, with a box of 50 ranging from $15 to $27, and are available in many of the common diameters and weights. and other large game weighing in excess of 300 pounds live weight. but the bullet was Trophy Bonded Tip 180s in /06Sold 'em all and bought a bunch of A-Frames for Africa.Glad I found out in time.. There are some classic designsthose our grandfathers usedthat are still viable choices and that remain highly useful and affordable options for the hunter and shooter. It is now possible to select the right bullet for your rifle based on a variety of factors. With the old stag, which had been rolling in the peat while tending his hinds, facing head on at 245 yards, I leaned the forend of the graceful Rigby Highland Stalker on Hepburns pack, let my breath halfway out, gave the stag 6 inches of elevation and squeezed the trigger. 6.5 Creedmoor 142gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition View Details. Partrition 200gr in 300 win mag 2950 ft/s. Copyright 2010, 2017 by Chuck Hawks. I hunt Elk with the .308, and out here we do get some long shots. With its tapered, precision-drawn jacket and long nose, the rifle is designed to penetrate deeply and precisely, making it ideal for hunting anywhere in the world, regardless of the weather conditions. The Partition used to be my go to hunting bullet for several years until I ran out of the batches that I had on hand. that devour crops and even gardens. Similarly, the versatile Nosler Partition bullet is a perfectly reasonable choice for Class 2 deer in .257 Roberts, for Class 3 elk in 7mm Magnum and for Class 4 bison in .416 Rigby. 175 grain for my 7x57 and 285 grain for my 375 Ruger. In response to the criticism, Speer has announced that it will be discontinuing the production of the grand slam bullet. I bought 6 of the transparent yellow boxes (grand slams) to work a load for that hunt. GS in .358 for my .35 Whelen. Testing the question if the 70GR Nosler Varmageddons are expanding properly after many reported "Pass through" kills. I could not get good accuracy with Speer Grand Slams. It looks like I'm fresh out fo the AGS and the regular GS I have (285gr) are in the solid yellow box so must be pretty old. While that point might be debatable now, in the years before World War II, the Core-Lokt quickly earned a solid reputation for reliability. metal jacket cup at 900-degrees F via the Hot-Cor process. I switched to Grand Slams which had a flatter tip and never looked back. You could quickly become a fan. for a little better BC, i picked up some of the ferderal trophy bonded tip bullets in 140gr and they shoot just as good. You are far better of with that because you can put additional 20-30 shots into paper targets. Caliber and bullet weight figures into the design of all hunting bullets. Grand Slam was designed to compete with the other deep penetration premium bullets of the time, such as the Nosler Partition. quickest kills on deer size game, particularly at longer ranges. not listed below. (Speer pioneered plating The fact that Speer Bullets are so effective at defeating armor and stopping targets from falling makes them extremely effective. flagship bullet. For deer ive had stellar results with the sierra gameking and nosler ballistic tip. Then, when I started hand-loading, spent many years switching back and forth b/t the Speer Hot-Cor and Nosler Partition. One of Vernon Speer's last accomplishments was the Hot-Cor The 250g 338 I used to use was great (and accurate) with the old style. I hoping it just means that Midway is just not going to stock them. (2002-2003 I'd guess). "Actually" the Mag Tip is a better bullet than the Grand Slam. From left: Nosler 180-gr. When I tried some new lots, the accuracy wasn't even close to the same with either bullet, so I switched to other bullets instead. Hot-Cor bullets actually looking back, I think I have got better performance from std 145 gn speers out of a 280 rem. values. I was reading recently that a lot of factory capacity has gone away from the slightly less common calibres and been given over to common stuff. The Grand Slam was once a very complicated bullet with dual cores, but it now uses a single core of lead alloy inserted using Speer's Hot-Cor injection technology. . I didn't think they would give taht kind of performance. accuracy. The bullets listed in the Class 2 category can be deadly if 74% weight retention. To overcome the thick hides, heavy bones, and tough bodies of the worlds most powerful games, Grand Slam bullets are designed with precision in mind. The 13-degree boat tail gives When pulling it out, it looked like the perfect mushroom but the core fell out! Location. The Nosler Partition is a fantastic bullet; and, although its virtually unchanged from the original 1948 design, it still gives high weight retention, wide expansion and deep penetration from nearly any angle, just as John desired. The current version is really no different, IMHO, than the less expensive Speer Mag Tips. and the lubrication used to insert the core in the jacket. price and performance. I switched to Partitions about 40 years back, and never regreted it. Remingtons mushroom was among the first controlled-expansion designs, with a copper jacketwhich gets thicker at the baselocked into the lead core by means of a cannelure. my "old" GS had a solid yellow box and my 2002 catalog still had the "old" models. here I found my 2002 speer catalog: it says "the AGS starts with a solid bar of guilding metal to for a massive jacket that is twice as thick as our North American Grand Slams" "A stop shoulder is machined" " multilock serrations". If youre hunting bears on a budget with your .308 or .30-06, 165- or 180-grain Grand Slam engenders all sorts of confidence. Just run your ballistics with it, and know your effective range. the "old and new" GS differences in mfg would be interesting to note. The result is better My buddy has used speer gland slams in 175 out of his 7mm rem mag for years on moose and always had great success and when come bullets have been revovered they are probably 70 % weight retention? Unfortunately Federal Premium bought that bullet from Speer and . I've been reading at the twenty-four hour campfire a lot of guys using them with high degree of success. The Speer Grand Slam Expansion Velocity is a unique round that is designed for maximum velocity and expansion. on Class 2 animals and "soft" bullets intended for medium size game are Of course in their case there it was one change after another. never seen much point in competing with your own product line and ATK has It is also a good performer, just . Were undeniably living in the golden age of projectile design, with more choices available to us than weve ever had. The Deep Curl We noticed the same thing and decided t. 160 & 175 grain 7mm (.284) Bullets - Speer bonded + Sierras, OtoPro SoundGear Phantom and Impulse Review, Vortex Razor HD 4000 GB Rangefinder Review, Toric UHD 2.5-15x44mm FFP Hunt Series Riflescope Review, Hunting Big Mule Deer after Mid-October with Cliff Gray. Having posed the question on the various US forums the "best" seems to be either the Nosler Partition in 100 grains (personally I have my doubts because . selection runs from .243-.338" at this writing and will probably expand. Hornady 270 Caliber Component Bullets, 145 Grain .277 Diameter ELD-X, 100 Per Box Md: 27356. In researching the speer grand slam vs the nosler partition it seemed that the GS was a bit tougher than the nosler. so the new ones are essentially "hot-cors" now ? Vernon Speer was a pioneer in the component bullet industry. As such, it is more expensive than the other Speer bullets. I like to buy Speer's, and every year it seems they have the promo that they will send you card for 20% when you purchase over $100, they are already the least expensive bullets to buy and that deal make them very hard to pass up. I much prefered the Grand Slams to Partitions, until the bean counters at Speer wrecked them -- Speer is basically calling a totally different bullet the "Grand Slam" and defrauding the shooting public. The Speer Boat Tail bullet is preferred over flat base bullets at very long range, because of its higher BC. There are many bullets offered to hunters that are Now it has one. including spitzer, semi-spitzer, flat point and round nose. I'm thinking about using some 145 grainers in my 7-08 this fall. I know that in theory, they are both designed to have a similar terminal effect (similar weight . Last year he got a bull moose one shot and it was done. I still have a few of the OLD STYLE .257 120 GS in case I need to shoot an elephant with my 25-06. Grand Slam has a crimping cannelure, which also helps to hold jacket and core While it might not have eye-popping B.C. h4831-sc was much better than 4350 in her tikka. I went back to my Nosler Partitions, but I think the grand slams are decent bullets. With more than five decades of service, Speer Gold Dot is still the most dependable hollowpoint for law enforcement. after the bullet impacts a game animal, which translates to potentially better It is true that Speer produces bonded bullets for rifles. Ive used the Grand Slam, in lighter bullet weights, as a deer bullet with nothing but good results. I've had midway do that on a few products over the years that were back-ordered that eventually came back into stock. I just ordered 500 285 gr .375 Grand Slams @ 50% off, $.30 each. of game, such as pronghorn antelope or Coues deer, at any range. As a businessman, I have line is the Deep Curl bonded bullet. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Nosler Partition or the Speer Grand Slam bullets on big game? Funny, a change was what -well not altogether- caused me to stop using Barnes. Mine looks like 4.4 on my non digital calipers. A neighbour of mine shoots 120 grand slams out of his 25-06. [This message has been edited by bulldog (edited 10-07-2001). All I use are the NP's out of my 30-06, 7-08 and 25-06. The more I think about it, I'd probably opt for the Hornady 270 next time for plains gameperhaps short of eland. In addition, the Remington Core-Lokts price point is certainly attractive, and thats been a great selling point over the years. is priced about like conventional soft point bullets, including Hot-Cor, yet The Sierra GameKing and ProHunter boattail and flat base, respectivelyhave a good, thick jacket, and give good expansion and penetration. Comparing Grand Slam to Deep Curl, the Grand Slam's advantage would be at the top end of a rifle's capability. My 7-08 R25 actaully shoots the 150-160 gr bullets better with 4831 than the 4350. Varmints are small pests and include such species as gophers, of such bullets. With factory loads you can't taylor bullets to rifles like us handloaders, so quite simply pick whichever your rifle likes and know your shooting a great bullet that will get the job done. Pro-Hunter and Speer Hot-Cor are classic soft point bullets. Bullets for Dangerous Predators (Class 4). Weight retention, however, is even higher than the Grand Slam, typically about From coyotes to crows they were accurate and nothing moved after. Their web site does not list the African Grand Slams, which IIRC were made with a tungsten core. Nosler decided to build a bullet that couldnt failand he did so. I don't know about the 145 gr. Nov 28, 2009. iffy on raking shots at Class 3 animals. His bullets were a favorite of Jack OConnor; and his HotCor process, which used molten lead poured into preformed jacketswas certainly revolutionary. 270win 130gr bullet and h4831 go together like ice cream and apple pie. Both work really well in my experiencelike the protected point on the GS!! Hot-Cor Lol it doesn't matter,,, try to buy either one of them right now. Have used 180 GS bullets in 300 Winchester since they came out and before that Speer Mag Tips Never have had a bullet fail and most were one shot kills, any that required a second shot were the fault of the shooter. If your quarry is deer, the Hot-Cor should be every bit as good. : ). the "old and new" GS differences in mfg would be interesting to note. look foreward to hearing the results of your search. Class 4 species can be quite dangerous and are the only category of game for which "solid" (non-expanding) round nose bullets are sometimes recommended, particularly for brain shots on hippo and elephant or to immobilize dangerous Class 4 animals by breaking both shoulders. in factory loads and to reloaders. Back then, I didnt keep or check weight retention in recovered bullets, but they seemed to hold together well. Bullets that The Speer Grand Slam is an overlooked choice in a market saturated with good designs. associated with the cooling and consequent slight shrinking of the hot lead core. Surely one of you guys has Rifle and Handloader back issues all categorically bindered and crossreferenced for easy access. RUGER: I just would not even bother to make a switch; I've lost count of the deer and elk I've shot or seen shot with Partitions, and switching to the Grand Slam would be, in my humble opinion, of no advantage whatsoever. Hard to find a reason to pay more for the Grand Slam when the Hot-Cor is so effective. Speer offers four lines of big game hunting bullets in a variety of styles and weights for almost all calibers, and they are priced right. I bought 6 of the transparent yellow boxes (grand slams) to work a load for that hunt. Oct 20, 2010. I quit using Nosler partitions years ago as the tips would get bent in the magazine of my 338 Win Mag just from the recoil of the rifle. I do know I got my Arkansas elk permit in 2001. A 285 grain .375, for example, is not a deer bullet! Despite their low muzzle velocity of 2782 fps, the bullets appear to have good penetration and excellent expansion, making them ideal for shooting at muzzle speeds of up to 8000 fps. (Raking shots are best avoided in any creates a larger frontal area, increases shock to the animal's system and He just fell back on his butt and keeled over dead. In his thick Scottish accent, Ronnie Hepburn asked me a simple question: Can you shoot with all these midgies!?. As has been said Speer only makes 140 gr in .264 in the Grand Slam but does make 120 gr in the Gold Dot which is a GREAT bullet. I'll prolly stick with the NP,TSX, and Banded solids for the 375s. generic factory loads for non . Mag and 150s in 30-06 and 308. These bullets that follow expand rapidly enough to be reliable on Class 2 These bullets are too long to shoot well in my Schultz&Larsen 7mm S&H 1-12" twist barrel. than the other Speer bullets. Most were behind the shoulder with complete penetration. I have an image of some poor schmuck at corporate HQ (somebody I might have resembled in an earlier life) being handed the news one morning that the beancounters had coerced the lab boys into coming up with a new, improved -- spelled cheaper but might work OK -- Speer Grand Slam design. Particulary if you expect 100- 200 yards distances. tapered jacket that increases in thickness toward the flat base. $86.49. Trust me, the animal won't be able to tell the difference. same point of impact. But these were 285-grain bullets at moderate velocity. OK, enough of that rant. The Sierra BlitzKing and Hornady V-Max are popular examples I recently started working up loads using Accubonds and was very pleasantly surprised with their accuracy. bullets. The happiest days of my life were spent with Noslers (mostly Partitions) in my hunting rifle! I have switched to newer bullets(Accubonds) (Speer Deep Curls) etc. The GS of today is not the same as it was when it was introduced. For whitetails you really don't need premium bullet - with .30-06. I was gonna say that MD, is that a "local" problem or part of the ATK master plan ?? Winchester Power Point, Hornady InterLock and similar bullets in terms of both Both are excellent choices. Interesting reading. bullet that spews fragments in the middle of the chest and stops under the skin document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. lion, grizzly bear, brown bear and polar bear. Its a simple design, with few revisions from the late-19th-century jacketed bullets. Ill be loading A Frames in my 8mm magnum. Speer Grand Slam Hornady Interbond I'm not one of you, Skippy. I can testify that they worked well, as I got to watch John take a few animals, including a gemsbok, where one worked spectacularly. the a-frame being a bonded bullet in addition to partitioned. Bullets for Thick-skinned, Dangerous Game (Class 4). that are not prone to ricochet and are safe for use in semi-populated areas, It uses a flat base and what Speer used to call a "mag-tip," I am hoping that is the Speer Mag Tips I loaded up to use on deer this fall in my 7mm Rem Mag. Many of the bullets listed for Class 3 game would also be good choices for hunting large, potentially dangerous predators, such as leopard, jaguar, here I found my 2002 speer catalog: it says "the AGS starts with a solid bar of guilding metal to for a massive jacket that is twice as thick as our North American Grand Slams" "A stop shoulder is machined" " multilock serrations". The Winchester Power Point, Sierra This bullet competes with the Sierra Vernon Speer was a pioneer in the component bullet industry. to Accubonds(went to 160's), similarly in my 25.06(went to 110's), because of the lead nose. reduces penetration. original Grand Slam's two section lead core of different hardness's has been This is simply common sense. jacket/core separation after impact, ensuring high weight retention. On Mule Deer I use the Nosler 165 BT Ballistic Tip with the same load I use for the Barns and they are right there EVERY TIME. why package the (essentially) same bullet in two packages? I shot the bear with a Speer Grand Slam bullet. Use sandbags or a commercial rifle the vitals, of course, but from there on a wide wound cavity is the ticket. I don't know how the "old" GS performed but the "new" ones were accurate in my .35 Whelen. Speer Grand Slam bullets are designed for maximum penetration and expansion. process eliminates the problems associated with air pockets in the lead core The Grand Slam is a Cup-n-Core with a three-part Lead alloy in the same tapered/fluted jacket as the SPEER Hot Core process. While I am not a user of Nosler products, they stand on their own merit. I've been very successful with Accubonds, but these 145 gr Hot-Cors are giving me groups of 5 at <1" and there is just something cool about using them versus the ever popular (for good reason) Accubond. I could probably spend the rest of my days using a Nosler Partition as my go-to bullet (except where a solid is called for) without much concern. jacket is made with a heavy heel section. That was over 30 years ago so whatever their production is now is likely to have significantly different results. Class 4 animals are heavy, thick-skinned game and the 9.3mm or .375 calibers are considered the practical minimum, while the over .40 caliber big bores really come into their own. The Speer web site shows that the current crop of Grand Slams are designed with a very thin jacket up front that thickens progresively the further down the bullet and becomes several times thicker than average solid copper base underneath the lead/antimony/whatever the third metal is expansion chamber and a much sharper ogive angle but still . bullets of the time, such as the Nosler Partition. I used the old style Grand Slams back in the early 90's.They were great bullets.I've also shot 120gr Speer Hot Cores and 117gr Sierra bullets.I never shot any Nosler's back then,but they now have 110gr Accubonds,115gr Ballistic Tips and also Partitions.I don't have any 25cals anymore,but I'd give Noslers a hard look.I don't think you will find . are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? so the new ones are essentially "hot-cors" now ? Its not getting a lot of attention these days, but theres no denying the great performance of the Speer Grand Slam. know if any of the larger ones are still lurking out there for sale? it more suitable for long range use. The grand slam bullet is expensive for the technology. . are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? The polar and Alaskan brown bears are the world's largest predators. The Best Place To Buy Red Tennis Shoes Is At The Tennis Shoe Outlet. GS is a bullet capable of shooting at a speed of 2740 fps when fired from a 24-inch Win. Here's the advertising blurb from their web page: sounds like they dropped the 416 & 458. correct me on this: weren't there two GS (the "African" which included solids and the "regular" in smaller calibers)? Joyce W. Hornady introduced his first bullet in 1949 (after making bullet jackets with Vernon Speer), and that 150-grain, .308-inch-caliber spire-point developed his reputation. The Speer's parent company ATK also owns Fusion, so that makes perfect sense. jacket into which is inserted a pre-formed lead core. Tipsy Tuesday: Elk Film, Gear, News, & More. It's hard to be sure exactly, with bullet tips flattening, but each brand appeared to stay close to others in the same box. In fact, Federal, which has an impressive lineup of its own proprietary designs, still offers the Sierra MatchKing in its factory-loaded ammunition. for large animals and premium bullets, often constructed with lead cores bonded According to his friend Jack O'Connor, Vernon Speer, the founder of Speer an interesting assessment! preferred bullet and load for your rifle, stick with it. Dec 20, 2009. (.338-.375 caliber) and heavy bullets of high sectional density are preferred. $131.95. The Grand Slams I have were made in the early 80's so I'm assuming they are the old style, they shoot around 1" in about all calibers for me with several powders. Mar 12, 2023. (Fusion So whether you're looking to learn more about the sport or just stay up-to-date on the latest news, we've got you covered. Joel SlateSlate & Associates, LLCThe Safari Specialistswww.slatesafaris.com, ray@atkinsonhunting.com atkinsonhunting.com. It was a valid question, because the pouring rain had stopped, the wind had died down, and those little, black demons had risen from the heather. You are far better of with conventional soft points - Sierra SP Flat Base (Pro Hunter) 165 gr. So it looks like Midway just isn't going to stock. Might I be confusing the AGS and the GS ? 150 Grand Slam 145 ELD-X 140 A-Frame 140 Partition 140 TSX 140 Accubond 130 Partition 130 TTSX 130 A-Frame All the above bullets will do what you need them to do without any drama. I came to the conclusion that the reason they used a conventional bullet was simply because it worked perfectly for the job at hand. Shoot a few whitetails with 150gr grand slams out of a .308 win when I was a kid. Performance was spectacular, he shot nine animals, with 8 one shot kills. The biggest game I'm planning on shooting is Kansas whitetails, but it sounds like I need to do a bit more testing. I'm not sure that Speer has ever had their 'Grand Slam' program quite fully together. Another consideration is finding a bullet and load that your rifle shoots well from the list of acceptable bullets for the type of game you seek. I'll repeat the water-filled gallon jugs test with some and see how they perform. The A frame is a partition bullet. To summarize, Speer Bullets is the only manufacturer who can provide dependable, high-quality ammo for your rifle or handgun, no matter what kind of ammo youre looking for. The Nosler Partition is a type of bullet designed for hunting. that's really my big gripe. results should tell you what bullet your rifle prefers. I have a small supply of the 250 grain 358 GS that I will be loading in my BLR in 358 Winchester for an upcoming trip to Africa. A used them (130s in a 270) for a year back when components were pretty tough to come up with. Bill Steigers (BBC) tested a bunch of 375 bullets, including the 285 gr Speer GS in the mid 1980s. Haven't they also D/C'd the larger calibers ? TENNIS FOR STARTERS: ONE GRAND SLAM AND TWO MASTERS TO WATCH OUT FOR IN 2023. I recently bought some boxes of the Grand Slams off Midway, mostly due to price. bullets due to military demand. Caliber I had the same experience this year on whitetail deer in Wyo. It has the perfect combination of penetration, yet opens easily and creates large wound channels. My only concern with the grand slam would be it's low bc, no concerns at all about performance on game. I cannot find a definitive answer to whether or not Speer makes a bonded bullet. Both will work, the partition is a way better bullet. pre-formed lead core used by most bullet makers. Now I am loading the current .277/150 gr. I was running them at 3000 fps from my 25-06 and they were bug hole accurate. "Montana seems to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans" John Steinbeck. Rich, what gun do you have in 7mm-08?Bulldog. reasonable choice for Class 2 deer in .257 Roberts, for Class 3 elk in 7mm Magnum and jacket and core together, something like the Hornady InterLock in concept. The Nosler Partition is unique in that it has a partition between the lead core and the copper jacket. You might try buying them directly from Speer. .277 150gr grand slams hammered an elk for my wife last year and shoot very very well. Those things PENETRATE. I only used Reloader 22, so I can't say I"ve tried lots of different powders, but I could only get 2" accuracy. They worked fine when I did my part. not remain intact if they hit heavy bones. I'm a semi-professional tennis player for 15 years, and I can clearly claim that tennis court is my 2nd home. There is no definitive answer to this question as it depends on individual preferences and opinions. The bear snapped at the sting of the bullet then ran into a line of dark alders as the sun set. 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