Direct cold, lightning, thunder, radiant or necrotic damage from a magic weapon. Tarrasque vs Tiamat [5e] DMing. Possible? Thats an average of 148 points of damage per turn. It would be a battle of the ages. Would there be any obstacles on the way, like buildings or difficult terrain, the tarrasque has the upper hand as it can simply force its way through while players have to find their way. It also uses its Attack legendary action to take tail swipes whenever a pursuer gets too close. If she fails a saving throw against an effect that would stun a creature, one of her unspent legendary actions is spent. These are reliable because they only require attack rolls to convey, not saving throws to resist. The Tarrasque per lore can destroy artifacts and is immortal without the specific usage of epic magic. I noted as promised, Shhh, baby is sleeping and pointed below. Its bite does an average of 36 points of damage per hit, grapples and restrains; its claws do an average of 28 points of damage; its horns do an average of 32 points of damage; and its tail does an average of 24 points of damage and has a good chance of knocking its target down. CR 15 2019/08/18 . That's why there is only one. It was also immune to the ill effects of fire, poison, or disease. As I said above, Tiamat is far more intelligent and wise; both mechanically in 5e, and when looking at lore. Creatures can do what their 5e statblocks say they can do. Fighting Tiamat? I picked 100 HP with the following assumptions: It also had the ability to dramatically hinder the ability of creatures within 200feet (61meters) of it to fly, reducing their speed substantially while also bringing them down to a maximum altitude of twenty feet, which put them within the beast's reach. Alignment Just stay at 150/170 feet above it, its frightful presence will have no effect. But it certainly does make the combat a lot less more interesting and dynamic, whether or not the monster is strong enough to pull that bellow and charge strat off. They parlayed a bit, and while PCs tried to position themselves for some kind of attack advantage they forgot to defend the NPC the BBEG wanted. Another guy casts fly on creation dude. Which Im not convinced the tarrasque would even notice immediately, its sort of like a mosquito bite. (AMAZING Website btw, gonna buy the book). #8 Jan 4, 2022 Hyrkali View User Profile View Posts Send Message Rogue Location: QC, Canada Join Date: 6/20/2021 Posts: 81 Theres also the simple fact that the Tarrasque just get's out muscled by tiamat; Her aspect (not her true self, just a manifestation of her power which would be considerably weaker); Flight, breath weapons, more legendary resistances, better overall move set and mythic mode which means that she gets more health and more moves to murder the tarrasque with. My dog can throw things and play fetch with itself and its quite a dumb boy) It may have disadvantage and only a +10 to hit at 1d4 + 10 damage, but fighting a level one cleric thats plenty. Fie, fie on that, I say! Tiamat is the mighty Queen of the Dragons and among the most iconic enemies of Dungeons and Dragons, appearing in all media from the game itself to video games, cartoons, and so on. That would be an interesting dynamic!! in 5th edition, therefore Mystra(?) Who do you think would win in a fight? HyrkaliFull DNDBeyond.com in Dark Mode? Tarr is immune to magic. He regenerated incredibly fast,and the only way to kill him was to wish for it to stop regenerating. Next, Scry on the Tarrasque (safe on your plane of preference) and find out whether or not it drowns. Claw and bite attacks will be directed against the same target, but the horn attack may be directed elsewhere, depending on whos in front of the tarrasque and how much theyre bothering it. The Tarrasque has haste and ward 0 as long as it was cast. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. This gives you 10 minutes to heal buff, set traps, use items or give npc commoners a chance to flee before the real fight. This book will enrich your game immeasurably! Matthew Lillard, This book almost instantly made me a better Dungeon Master. If a tarrasque holds an opponent in its jaws, it can Swallow, which inflicts an additional bite attack (with advantage, since the target is restrained, although the tarrasques attack modifier is so great, this will hardly make a difference) and transports the opponent to its gut, where said opponent will be rapidly digested if he or she cant inflict 60 points of internal damage in a single turn while blinded and restrained. Tiamat per lore can cast spells. and the tarra is immortal it slowly regens but extremely slow, just have to use a wish spell to stop the regen and leave its corpse alone . Bellowing and charging works when the monster really is an unstoppable engine of mass destruction (it's the core concept behind things like Godzilla movies), but the Tarrasque really isn't (nor is anything else in 5e. Size Funnily enough a simple, bog standard werewolf can fight the Tarrasque to a draw, since the Tarrasque is incapable of dealing magical damage, and werewolves have complete immunity to said damage type. 3e Would BBEG & PCs have to join forces would they even be willing to?? https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/class-forums/wizard/50937-necromancy-primer-part-11-the-undead-fan. The only thing that can permanently kill a Tarrasque, is another Tarrasque. Even if that doesnt kill it, thatll should knock it prone and restrain it, giving free liberty to the sorcerers for potshots. The only thing that can permanently kill a Tarrasque, is another Tarrasque. One of them is Tiamat, the five-headed dragon goddess herself. No matter what you do, the Tarrasque won't stay dead. The Tarrasque has a boatload of HP but no intelligence or way to use its powerful abilities in the most effective way it possibly can. The tarrasque's natural weapons are treated as epic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction . Now if we're talking about using current 5e stats, Tiamat will not lose. I hope theres only one, but if that legend is to be beleived, then Godzilla for everyone! Id that when it decides to retreat it would only use its legendary actions to run away but keep on eating those that get too close to him. It is correct but here is how I see it. Vision CR 6 However, I am very interested in what everyone else thinks about this. Plus tiamat is smart and has breath weapons. I think she can only hurt it through teeth and claws and it be an interesting fight. Also the Tarrasque's stomachs are the only things in the multiverse able to permanently kill gods and destroy artifacts. Speaking of demon lords, will you be covering the demon lords from Out of the Abyss or other boss monsters/splatbook-specific creatures from the various 5E adventures? But she used the magic to halt, crush, and slay the Sleeper. Opinions? That means you dont have to kill a tarrasque to drive it off. #1 Basically the breath weapon of Tiamat (made into a 20' wide beam, and twice the regen of a troll. First appearance So if we're talking about lore, the Tarrasque will not lose. Depends on if youre ignoring past editions. Even the wish spell cannot keep a Tarrasque dead for long. I was talking about which made "a better boss" and a more interesting battle, as evident by the quote in that post. One last idea from this poor soul, there are some homebrew variants of the tarrasque online that are pretty cool. With +19 to hit, all its melee attacks are virtually guaranteed to land. Melee Weapon Attack: +19 to hit, reach 10 ft., one target. Actually, I remember reading the 1e dmg and noting demogorgons XP (and thus his CR) was higher than Asmodeus and the tarrasques. Green is the only kind of dragon with poison. The true terror of the Tarrasque is not its stat block or abilities, nor is it its combat potential. Every group Ive played with or DMed has a rogue that has expertise in Stealth and Perception. 2 Alerma7033 5 yr. ago The tarrasque ( pronounced: / t r s k / tah-RSK) was the most terrible creature known to inhabit the Prime Material Plane. The question is not about who would win between a Tarrasque and an Aspect of Tiamat, it's which one makes a better boss, with the implication they mean "final climactic fight creature" and not necessarily "head of the antagonist organisation". The tarrasque has proficiency in all mental saves, not Constitution. Plenty for the big buddy to catch up. Your last point is always my biggest counter to anyone who argues that the tarrasque can be killed easily, given enough time. Rather, the BBEG wants to stealthily tao into its innate magical being to power his own spell(s). I know that, RAW, disintegrate isnt a spell attack, a line spell, or magic missile. But, as a DM, I would rule that it is similar enough to those spells that it would also bounce. 30 Design Certainly, the tarrasque is no pushover, but let me paint you an absurdist scene. Duel Decks: Ajani vs. Nicol Bolas Duel Decks: Anthology Duel Decks: Blessed vs. Cursed Duel Decks: Divine vs. As part of its Multiattack, it can substitute Swallow for its bite. If anything, wasnt the Tarrasque even *more* difficult to kill back in prior editions? CR 7 W/r/t Drowning: Con +10 means it can hold its breath a REAL long time. Which would increase their speed to 90ft and let them Dash twice. Its Strength and Constitution peg the meter, but its Dexterity is a merely average 11unsurprising, given how much mass it has to move. Long and short of it, Tarrasque is probably a good smack down opponent for a one shot; but if you're putting Tiamat in the ring just for a one time fight, I think you're using her wrong. When roused, it would, by its design, eat quite literally the entire world, including plants and animals. At the end of their descriptions, it is stated that fighting one of these mythic creatures is the equivalent of fighting 2 creatures of their same CR. In DnD 5e, Tiamat is the dragon goddess of greed and queen of evil dragons. Tiamat has plans that go well beyond what a mortal could comprehend. In any event, Erasmus had better not ever come any closer than 53 feet (Tail attack with 20-foot reach, plus 33-foot vertical leap). Tiamat has flight speed and a ranged breath weapon so it can just fly around in the sky blasting it with its breath weapons with the Tarrasque unable to attack Tiamat as it is stuck on the ground with no ranged attacks. - https://twitter.com/WinglessValk Wear Awesome Merch! These creatures do not die at 0 hp, but instead enter stage two of their fight. Or instead of Rare magic horseshoes you could just cast the Haste spell. Alignment When it rises, nations fall. Nothing doing. With a 60-foot range on sacred flame, thats a pretty narrow zone to work within. The tarrasque can use its Frightful Presence. On a 6, the tarrasque is unaffected, and the effect is reflected back at the caster as though it originated from the tarrasque, turning the caster into the target. Usingonly5e stat blocks is an absolutely and positively terrible way to run either of these two monsters and a damned travesty if you do so. The Tarrasque is almost immune to spells and can even bounce them back while a nice sunbeam or disintegrate spell will work just fine on Tiamat. - https://discord.gg/nnxwnPg Need a Voice Actor?! However, I think most people prefer interesting combats, and thusly, would rather have their BBEG fight be against Tiamat than the Tarrasque. One can beat the other 10 out of 10 times and still be the worse choice for a climactic battle finale. lol Good luck hitting me with your lightning breath when I'm 50 feet under the groundit does not take high intellect to figure out "hmm if I'm being attacked by this flying thing that I cannot hit, I can just dig down until I am safe"). Who doesnt love a battle between some Kaiju. Tiamat has plans that go well beyond what a mortal could comprehend. Combat The tarrasque attacks with its claws, teeth, horns, and tail. See questions and answers Verified Purchase So in short, I think a battle with Tiamat would be much cooler and dynamic than one with a Tarrasque. If not, at least its not rampaging across your plane anymore. GG? Both sit currently as the only creatures in 5th edition that have a CR that high. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong. Id call that the same as a Claw attack but make the damage bludgeoning. Tarrasques are immune to fire and poison damage as well as physical damage from normal weapons. Elemental PCs have to quietly stop BBEG & his team, all with both sides trying NOT to awaken the tarrasque!! Eminence Gaming: https://eminence.events/ JoshMMM: @Josh_M_M_M Our audio didn't save correctly so you get to . However easily distracted it may be at first, once a tarrasque is lightly wounded (reduced to 608 hp or fewer), it stops attacking bystanders and focuses its attention on whoevers hurting it. Homeland(s) That's why there is only one. Divine intervention is basically equivalent to a wish, in my view. A unique tarrasque known as the Sleeper dwelled in the continent of Katashaka in ancient times. Alignment This is reflexive behavior, not necessarily optimal behaviorand since Chomp consumes two legendary actions, this may also be construed as a silver lining for everyone other than the living snack. KingdomsTV - Yuriko vs Eruth vs Tiamat vs Armix / Kraum | cEDH 20 with Mikey from Eminence & JoshMMM. The tarrasque is not a boss monster; it's a walking force of nature. Once the legendary resistances are used up, the tarrasque will be banished, and one guy starts casting creation at ninth level(though preferably earlier). 5th Edition Statistics[1] Tiamat is a powerful five-headed dragon appearing in the Dungeons and Dragons role-playing game, while the Tarrasque is a colossal, supernatural beast and one of the most powerful monsters in Dungeons and Dragons. Alignment Human. monstrosities Add an eversmoking bottle so the rogue gets sneak attack every round, this titan is slain in under a minute. Exceptions for things that are funny. I didnt think about how the PCs could redirect or trick tarrasque into attacking BBEG & his team. Tiamat the Queen of Evil Dragons? Tiamat has a 26 int and wis, the tarrasque has a 3 and 11. Dungeons & Dragons, D&D, their respective logos, and all Wizards titles and characters are property of Wizards of the Coast LLC in the U.S.A. and other countries. Do so, https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules, https://www.dndbeyond.com/tag/free-adventure, Tarrasques do not delete things in their stomachs. PERIOD. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong. Average weight And maybe set a trigger of, say, 100HP so it stays asleep as long as it is not damaged in any way for >99hp. meta 4e Type It also gives ground for displaying a rather weak (weaker than the tarrasque) but clever bbeg so your team needs to outsmart it or will get in a trap or similar. When it awaken from the ocean, it was swamped by enemies that not only could it not damage, but healed when they were in the stomach. You have nobody to blame but yourself. I might borrow your idea at some point, its a nice one. January 30, 2023 by Community Spotlight. * tarrasques carapace will be the floor of the cave for this battle. If a party of sorcerers shows up to battle, they can utilize metamagic to stay somewhat out of range while they cast banishment. Salvatore. I usually use the chase mechanic of fatigue if players and npcs dash multiple times: you can dash an amount of 3+con modifier, when you dash more you roll 1d20 and on 10 or lower you get a temporary exhaustion level. These volumes contain HPPs first 25 Big Bads, alongside new exclusive Big Bads unlockable as stretch goals (including one by yours truly!). Blindsight[1] My post was not about the power disparity between the two though I do agree with you on that. Tiamat, Yeenoghu, Orcus, and Demogorgon would all make easy work of the Tarrasque. You can just spam save or take damage spells at the Tarrasque while flying and all the Tarrasque can do is suffer (it might burn some legendary resistances initially, which is meaningless). [9], The tarrasque had the ability to instill nearby creatures with terrible fear, rendering them incapable of action. I have to agree Tiamat is just better. This theif is then shooting with disadvantage, so no sneak attack and its actually harder to hit then the bottle wasnt used at all. Longer then the ten minutes the flight spell lasts, possibly. Always neutral Como o Tarrasque um ser no-pensante, um monstro que ataca a torto e direita, ele possui intelecto animal. There are no 10th level spells in 5th edition, therefore you cannot cast them (and my understanding of the lore is you couldn't anyways). The Tarrasque (Showcase) Depending on how you interpret the textof Reflective Carapace, however, the Tarrasque would be totally immune to any breath weapon of Tiamat except for the green head and the white head and even have the ability to strike her back with it (which she would also be immune to). And in answer to the general question, Tiamat, especially with the new statblock from Fizban's. I cannot count how many there are. hahahaha. Apparently defeated, the Sleeper returned in a rage and went on a rampage on the Night of Feasting, before finally returning to sleep. Hmm. My bad for misunderstanding that, the fact that the poll says "better challenge" as opposed to "better boss" is kind of misleading then. So, as I took a further investigation in both monsters, aka known as Demi-Bosses, the only difference between both I see is Tarrasque dosen't have an own alignment, nor a pre-deter one, which it means the chance to "PET"" it ( aka known by the Pokemon gamers as to TAME IT ) goes a bit funny here. Assuming your party has the jump on the tarrasque, they attack first, wizard hold his action to be the last to act before the tarrasque and maze it. She/her or they/them is fine. The Gargantuan Tarrasque is available for pre-order on Amazon or directly from WizKids, and is expected to ship in the Fall of . Weeell, the tarrasques still here, so maybe not. Keith notes that it is only animal like instincts, so you confuse it, bait it, and then hit it with everything you have and hope it is enough. Now if it dashes and uses all three of its legendary actions to Move it can cover 140ft. My homebrew content:Monsters, subclasses,Magic items, Feats, spells, races, backgrounds. 5e Well, the Tarrasque is extremely stupid, so its would use the legendary resistance every time it fails the saving throw. So lets pause here and enumerate what kinds of damage can get through the hide of a tarrasque: Based on this list, I wouldnt say dealing with a tarrasque is going to be easy by any stretch of the imagination, although it will be easier for sturdy PCs equipped with the finest in magical weaponryor for ones who have a good working relationship with the right kind of dragon. The tarrasque is basically a kaiju. Tiamat per lore can cast spells. It will use its bite, horns and claws against opponents in an arc in front of it, but its tail attacks will be directed at targets behind it. shapechangers Tarrasque vs Tiamat [5e] DMing. 30 Falx had several hundred creatures that were either the same species as the tarrasque of Toril or else an (unfortunate) example of convergent evolution. It literally can't even touch her. Due to the nature of mythic monsters, they are extremely deadly monsters that pose are often much stronger than their CR suggests. The point is that the core mechanic of "unstoppable rampaging monster" plotlines is that you cannot win by normal means, and thus have to get clever. Monstrosity Keiths book grounds villains in specificity, motivation, and tacticsso much so that players will love to hate em. There is no Mystra(?) * Im also betting on the carapace reflecting and stopping the vast majority of any attacks, so highly unlikely the tarrasque would even get damaged by 100 HP. 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