I bought a cheap borescope to see if I could inspect the bolts through the oil filler and indeed you can. Was it coincidental and maybe the bits of trash in the both VANOS spool valves cleared at the exact same time? thanks for the input. After several engine stop/start cycles there were still no faults. 1/2/3/4/5 x3x4x5x6 f18n201/2/3/4/5 x3x4x5x6 f18n20,! Today my engine shut off while I was driving. I also wonder if they changed the diameter of the piston I assume youve seen both old and new tensioners, are the pistons the same diameter? Usually the Vanos units lock in its default position when engine is turned off. It could be,,,they do make a knocking noise normally. There were no faults. Ive search, alot of people have it problem but no solution.It dont like bmw :). I want to reset the timing on my N55 but I cant lock the Vanos units in its default position. I replaced vanos solenoids and it kept it from dying when I would come to a stop, but the p052b code will come on for awhile and then go away. diagnosis system checking faults) Tried new battery. All content 2004-2023 OBD-Codes.com, post Ok the charge boost pressure fault is related to the vanos faults,,,,the vanos faults could be a couple of things but since you just replaced the timing chain maybe the timing is not correct on the intake vanos unit? Just need to clear the check engine light. Engine Knocking That sound is caused by your spark plugs not detonating properly and igniting all the fuel. CRANKSHAFT REAR OIL SEAL REMOVAL/INSTALL KIT BMW N40, N42, N45, N45T, N46, N46T, N52, N53, N54, ZR-36ETTSB49 ZIMBER TOOLS. BMW offered me 20% off a brand new engine. and cam shaft are not in alignment any more. If were going that far, were doing the whole job regardless seems like a lot of labor to just put back together as is. When engine starts cam shaft on exhaust goes all the way to the end. They are just inside of the plastic and one is melted on surface (outside). possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve and clean it? Engine It goes into limp mode for a a few minutes and then seems to correct itself. Would I be covered under the 7/70k extended warranty ? Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. Had mechanic put on Autel code reader diagnostics and got 10 or so codes relating to things such as the dinamic stability control, fuel pump. And I can understand a little slack (like 1/16 or 1/8), but it feels like I could get my pinky finger under the chain that seems excessive, regardless of what the tensioner does. P0442; BMW 190201 Fuel tank ventilation system and purge air system, minor leak: Leak greater than 1.0 mm P0456; BMW 190302 Fuel tank ventilation system and purge air system, . So I thing exhaust vanos is not working, or not working correctlycan I get in touch with you? Error Code P052B takes place when the PCM has monitored an "overly" - retarded VVT position for camshaft timing on bank 1. The Engine Control Module ( ECM) monitors the Intake Camshaft. 131401 vanos exhaust cold start not controllable Check engine light on and "drivetrain malfunction" warning. Do you think is this something related to eccentric shaft sensor? The old oil filter was stuck onto the basket. Cost for the strap $7.49. A forum community dedicated to BMW owners and enthusiasts. If performing other ISTA diagnostics and related test plans results with eligible and covered F40Model Year: 2019 + Previous Generations; F20 / F21Model Year: 2012 - 2018. E84 and E89 Ok these engine where noise during cold start and it did have a rattle knocking noise,,,,the noise would quiet down after about 2 to 3 minutes of run time,,,question do you here any knocking noise while putting a load on the engine like driving up a hill and giving it gas there should be no knocking noise,,,if you here a knocking noise I would have the dealer check out the car.,,,BMW does sell a extended warranty it is not cheap. I really appreciate if you can have an input on it. I will have to try again and see if I can see the exhaust side. didnt see any date for he changes (with CAS) 61 00 006 WT Performing vehicle diagnosis test Drain your oil, replace filter and re-fill with original BMW 5W30 or 0W30. Let me know if you find out is yours a manual xdrive? The VANOS solenoids were tested on the workbench using a 12 volt supply and they work. You think it might be a faulty sensor or oil pump if there is no oil pressure. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Learn how your comment data is processed. There was so much plastic in the oil pan that the oil pump was sucking up pieces of plastic causing a oil pressure issue and causing more damage. Ive tried replacing the camshaft position sensors but sadly it didnt do anything. Ok heres another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. N20 and N26 Engine: Various VANOS System Faults Stored in DME F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34: If you still need help regarding the P052B trouble code, please post Im a little concerned about an underlying knocking. Reset codes and adaptations without increment wheel. Intake Camshaft: Installation faulty. N20 vanos unit broken. I have an 2010 E91 and this whole VANOS bolt thing makes me very nervous. Thanks for your time. I got the security t45 at Home Depot. Coul it be timming change or leak some where? Bank 1 refers to the side of the engine that has cylinder #1. The oil temperature was 90 C. Once the car started without faults the oil level check worked fine. 61 21 528 Refer to KSD2 Charging battery I brought the car to the dealer and they updated the DME as I found about the bulletin but unfortunately fault came back. Hi Andraes, has BMW field engineers offer any explanation how this whole mechanism failed? Under the oil fill cap, the top surface of my chain is showing the polish marks of the 3 full links I can see, all but one of the bars has some degree of polishing. Appreciate 0 Tweet. I replaced the timing chain, oil pump drive assembly and new spark plugs. But the more you drive it the less you gear it. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. The first start up gave many more codes but I have cleared the fault codes several times and these two appear along with the consequence fault code of 120408 Charge pressure control off. I learned that if you touch the neg and positive battery cable together while the battery is disconnected it clears the light. But thats not what happened. 130304 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, camshaft jammed If your warranty runs out thats it , no come back unless you buy an extended warranty before the event. F30 Also, does BMW offer any kind of extended warranty on the vehicle due to these faults? SITUATION Hello I have a 2013 328i xdrive(72k) that I just had the timing chain, guides etc. The failure of this VVT self-test stems from the exceeded minimum calibration of the camshaft timing or it remains in an retarded position. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: The VANOS cold start faults would reappear within 15 seconds of startup. To determine if any applicable Federal, State or BMW Emissions Warranty coverage applies prior 4. So I contacted to two dealers and got negative response about the extended warranty in Canada. Dealer wants almost 300 euro to check the timing chain. When I go to accelerate now, the engine lags. Children had the highest levels with an average of 3.. May Improve Sleep Quality. 2D57 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached I Ask an Expert Car Questions BMW Questions I have a 2013 bmw x1 with an n20 engine that has a code Daniel, BMW Diagnostician 2,207 Satisfied Customers BMW Master Technician Daniel is online now Continue Related BMW Questions but after 3-4 minutes these fault codes with a message -Drivetrain problem comes in the display. 130304 Vanos exhaust control fault camshaft jammed Interested in your thoughts. Wasnt there a re-call on these? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Basically, this systems allows the ECM to monitor the mechanical timing between the camshaft and the crankshaft. Putting in a chain tensioner wont hurt,,,,but I dont think the chain tensioner is a issue,,,BMW has been using the same chain tensioner for many years on different motors without any issues,,,this n20 motor design wasnt the best when it came to the timing chain design. Does the noise go away when you depress the clutch pedal,,,,because that would put pressure on the flywheel. The BMW dealer wants 1300 for the repair, which is of course a lot of money. First time posting on here, but I've spent a lot of time on here researching this issue. I dont know about this M62 V8 timing chain guide issue,,,I have never seen any timing chain guide issue on that engine,,,I have seen guide crack but it never caused the timing chain to jump and cause more damage,,,,Im not saying it never happen,,,Im saying I have never seen it happen in my 35yrs working for BMW,,,,now the rodent issue we see it almost everyday when it gets cold outside,,,,I understand the use soy in the harness which the rodent can smell and like to chew on. So I went to a local specialty shop. within the BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty and this coverage extends beyond the File a NHTSA complaint and inspect for the faulty bolts asap. MODEL So I stopped at the nearest possible place and connected my reader to the car. There not much to tell you about chain stretch,,,,I think a lot has to do with the timing chain rail getting worn out or start to come apart and then the chain starts to loose tension because of the rails coming apart,,,then when we have a loose chain then we have timing issue. I live for failure analyses, just not on my own car engine! ISTA says these errors: The boost disable fault was cleared and the engine restarted. your input is much apreciated, There a BMW sib 12 15 13 which says this problem is due to a software issue with the DME ,,,,you need to program the vehicle,,,,you can see the bulletin on the Internet. The M62 V-8 (1995-2005) was notorious for failed timing chain guides. BTW I checked my primary chain slack again last night; I had driven it since the first time I checked it, but as before the engine was fully cold. It should show something like incorrect angle/position. If you do find your solenoid is not working well or something, get bmw ones, I read a lot of posts when I changed mine about non bmw ones making things worse and ultimately people ended up just buying bmw ones. . (LogOut/ Is there possible timing not to be correct on the intake vanos unit?! This is an aftermarket ignition coil for the Husqvarna 268 chainsaw. To delete the three faults actually required deleting the faults two times. my mechanic told me there is a whining noise and I can hear it too. They unlock only when oil pressure is applied. Brought it to a second mechanic. Andrea, I just found your blog looking for answers for my used/ new to me 2013 328i with N20 engine. Knocking sound also weakens when the engine gets to operating. I am thinking switching vanos solenoids and see result. Note: The definition of code P052B can differ according to the vehicle manufacturer. NOTE: This information is presented for information purposes only. when he took a test drive, the codes again cam back. We include basic steps below but refer to a vehicle year/make/model/powertrain specific repair guide for specific steps for your vehicle. 3- oil- my hood says 0-20. i like -0-30. just curious about the 0-20 spec.. Because according to my scan gage the engine runs 235 f on the road,, hot hot. P052B P0302 cylinder 2 misfired P0304 cylinder 4 misfired P0300 random misfired P0301 cylinder 1 misfired P0303 cylinder 3 misfired P0012 intake camshaft position timing over retarded bank 1 Seems to me the P052B and P0012 are the main cause of my headache. I am wondering if fuel pressure has anything to do with it. To assist with cold start conditions the camshaft timing can be adjusted to allow for optimum starting conditions. Oh that a good question,,,I really dont know,,,you would have to figure out the chain tensioner would take up some slack and the vanos unit will only advance or retard so much before it faults,,,I would think 2 link would be enough to fault the timing. The engine start ok. no misfiring. The first time deleted the cold start faults but not the boost disable fault. Yes its possible the timing has jumped and thats why it wont start,,,now is your engine damage its hard to say without finding out what exactly is wrong with it. Truth is, your engine's ideal timing would adjust according to varying conditions. I am troubleshooting an issue with it already for weeks now and unfortunately I was not able to find the root cause yet. P054B - Cold start B Camshaft position timing over-retarded bank 1. Random Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected. Any other things to ask for/look at, short of pulling the valve cover? Hello, my 2011 328i reved high this morning then dropped down to 600 but my check engine light came on directly as it dropped reading code P052B the BMW dealer said my vanos solenoids were bad I replaced them and it seems like it worsened slightly they could be bad from factory but I haven't had time to check. Changed the oil filter and OIL. This is due to a diagnostic programming error in the DME. Follow the Rcrit document posted on my thread. What do you recommend? I think it probably went into auto stop/start at the light prior to the limp mode event. Ill try what you suggest. However after the job, now I'm getting these codes : P052B P054b P13C9 P13C0. That much is obvious from the redesign. The car has 103,000 miles. From the BMW DTC Sheet: The diagnostic function monitors the camshaft timing adjustment. now I have a question for you and hoping to get a direction. I was hopeful that the Gelis settlement would include some consideration for owners of affected vehicles to proactively upgrade at reduced cost, but last weeks final settlement statement doesnt read like that. For information on programming and coding with ISTA/P, refer to Defect Code: 11 36 01 96 00 2- i donated TO YOU but didnt see it go thru 61 00 720 Refer to KSD2 Programming / encoding control unit(s) Youtube helped me tons. Limped home of course. which consists of the last 7 digits of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). Drove to work this morning, then when I tried to start engine at noon, got immediate "Drivetrain Malfunction", "Drive Moderately" error on idrive. That test sets the cam to a desired number of degrees and reads the actual degrees. I am thinking that I will periodically inspect until I have another reason to pull the VC, at which point I will replace the bolts. That why they did that 7/70 for certain models and years. . Prior to the code it says low oil pressure on the dash. SI B12 15 13 After replacing the timing chain in my N20 (2012 528i), it repeatably gives the fault codes 131401 and 131501 for VANOS cold start not controllable for the exhaust and intake cams. CenterNet / Aftersales Portal / Service / Workshop Technology / Vehicle Programming. Dash lights up with transmission gear exclamation point and lift ramp both in yellow. Technical Service And most likely a cold start issue as well. The Service Engine Soon lamp and Engine Malfunction warning are illuminated, and the vehicle 2D60 VANOS, exhaust, control fault, camshaft jammed There are locking pins integrated inside the units. Code 120408 Charging Pressure control Switch off as consequence Cleaned spark plugs and as the mileage was 65000 so I changed the timing chain with a TOOL also. I checked the chain from the oil filler cap and was able to move the chain side to side on the chain guide about 3-4mm it doesnt seem overly loose. I know impulse sending wheels and camshaft they need to be lined up using a special tool. The oil and filter were changed along with the timing chain. Rep. 8. I bought a BMW F20 118i with N13 1.6 engine. Bringing the BMW community together. Oh well. Ok you have a couple of things going on here,,,,that fault code just ignore,,,that fault code is a bogus fault some kind of software bug,,,,,ok you start stop function not working I dont know without looking at the car,,,,now the car shutting off while driving sound like the fuel pump and the fuel pump relay EKPS module is going bad,,,,I would have those checked out next time. From the N20 parts diagram, the top slide rail is bolted on by two bolts, the right guard rail also has 2 bolts. You should ask the dealer about it. It's basically a camshaft on top of the intake camshaft that controls how far open the valves move during one rotation of the intake camshaft. Tested both soleniods as well. Or anything else you have come across? . 130104 VANOS, intake, control fault, camshaft jammed E84 Code stays on though. Im getting error codes 120408 Charging Pressure Control: Switched off. $99. Do you replace the units in such case, or do you know a trick to lose them? Youre in luck. This is why professional technicians will follow some sort of flow chart when inspecting a trouble code to prevent a misdiagnosis. The P0012 is a trouble code that often pops in OBD2 scans of BMWs and it means Intake Camshaft Position Timing- Over-Retarded (Bank 1). I will call a bmw dealership to get info. Sorry there are no replacement bolts for the N20 vanes unit that I know of,,,,,yes they are aluminum,,,the N20 and N26 vanes unit are not common to break not like the older one on N51 and N52, No, no Warranty. bimmerfest.com is not in any way affiliated with Bayerische Motoren Werke AG. Do you know if the new Vanos assemblies comes with the upgraded bolts or do I still need to change out the 4 Vanos Gear bolts on a new assembly? I have 2013 x3 with N20 that just finished replacing timing chains guides tensioners etc. Hi Andreas, I have the N20 in a 2014 X1 x28i at 86k miles. should I buy timing lock kit to lock the cams and cranksshaft in place? Nic. Yes it should,,,,but sometimes some random faults might still be their, The service engine light has not cleared. There are no timing codes. Stored Codes. During highway driving the car drives fine. if you can direct me in the right path I will really appreciated . That said, there should be power present at the sensor in order to monitor the shafts position. The car ran for a mile or so then seized. Is the engine totally damage if timing chain skips? I pulled the VC to do so. howd you guess? The car is as we speak back to the dealer for further diagnose and they have seen a slight difference in the crankshaft position or something like that.. one of the shafts was not in the correct angle. My rule if its not broken dont fix it,,,,dont take the solenoids apart ok,,,,the turbo boost fault was related to the vanos faults. Injector harness' are extremely susceptible to drying up and cracking, due to conditions, causing an intermittent connection. The improved DME software was introduced But that is all. Seems like the locking pins are stuck. Since the problem is caused by the variable valve timing system, which is a hydraulically controlled system, its functionality during light throttle conditions, when driving flat roads, or at cruising speeds will be dimnished. The timing was checked several times after installing the new chain. Content on bimmerfest.com is generated by its users. Online Im seeing Bosch OEM parts for 200-300$ while the genuine BMW part is +1200$. Basically a simple piston with an oring, preloaded by a spring, inside a glorified hex head cap screw, with an oil feed hole for the oil pressure to push on the piston in addition to the spring. Glossary of Emission Coverage attachment for more information. unfortunately info on this N20 is almost none exist at best. I went to look it up online only to find the site got shut down last October. Change). Bimmerpost Model Selection. New Member. Sorry I dont see any video,,,,ok when you say the starter and engine dont appear to make attempt to start,,,,,question does the engine turn over when you are trying to start the car,,,,,question does the engine make any sound when trying to start the car,,,if the engine does not turn over when trying to start car,,,,try and turn the engine by hand from the front lower crankshaft bolt and see if the engine will turn. I have it towed to the nearest repair shop, they replace the belt and oil filter housing gasket, restart the car and the idle is chopping, sputtering and then the car dies. Depending on what type of camshaft position sensor you have (e.g. The Z4 sDrive28i, X1 x/sDrive28i, 328i, 428i, 528i, 328iGT, 228i, X4 xDrive20i all recieved the exact same N20B20 as the X3 28i. Even though work time labor operation code 61 00 006 ends in 006, it is not considered a Main So the two snap tabs should not bear weight/force, correct? Like mentioned, they tend to be extremely brittle. Hello there, loving your info. Powertrain Control Module (PCM) failure. Hi I have a 2013 bmw x1 with a N20 engine. I have an april 2013 f30 320i m sport this is an N20 engine I believe. Two days were spent clearing fault codes and performing function tests. Kies was able to get a new engine and turbo from BMW dealer using the SULEV warranty. Enter the Chassis Number, What about the Timing Chain Sprocket, does it have to be in specific position before tighten Vanos central valve?! Clutch seems fine no vibration or variation in noise with clutch engaged or disengaged . Thx Andreas, that makes sense now that I think about it. Or turbo charger, Do you guys fix the issue ?! If you are interested here is the rest of the story. Could this be the timing chain? It idles fine and sounds much better than before. 00 00 006 Refer to KSD2 Performing vehicle test (with vehicle Thank You very much for the reply !! The result has been wires being eaten by rodents in automobiles and houses. Thank you Daniel 219 days ago Automotive Expert Or the failure started at the two snap-on tabs that connect top slide rail to the right-side guard rail? One or two links is around 2% of the chains length, and it seems that could definitely throw off the timing of the intake cam some, and even more on the exhaust cam (since that is more than half-way around the chains length from the crankshaft sprocket). Labor operation code 00 00 006 is a Main labor operation. Would you suspect this is more related to the software reprogram or is the timing off? Again. I did an oil change because the red indicator light came up with a p052b code which is the camshaft position sensor. Preventative maintenance suggestions? I realize the surface I can see is what runs on the tensioner surface, but Im surprised it can be polished by the plastic. When the VANOS units were removed there was no visible trash. The P052B code is a problem that should be immediately taken to the mechanic because it is a highly complex, not to mention, severe issue. Contact Us Or maybe I dont understand lawyer-speak. I have a 2012 F30 320i auto. The car moves fine except for 1 issue at low revs on higher gears, a clanking noise is heard from the engine when load is added by pressing accelerator or upon approaching a hill. Thank you for the overview. | What Does the P052B BMW Code Mean? I think im Barking up the wrong tree . Left/Right and Front/Rear are determined as though you are sitting in the driver's seat. The improved DME software was introduced Also can sparkplugs have any influence to this situation? Most of the failures I have seen start with the two snap tabs for the timing chain rail breaks. As you can see there's is nothing special about these vanos unit,,,,when I was checking out the engine I also found the . Is it possible I should use genuine bmw parts. Was it how the faults were cleared that made the difference?
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